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MarilyninOttawa
You have seen a range of pleurothallids. many can be a challenge
to grow without coolness and high humidity but there are many
also that manage quite well in a mixed collection.
Susan-from-Oregon
The Scaphosepalum verruscosa that I have is a rapid growing,
ever-flowering WEED
MarilyninOttawa
Isn't that Physosiphon flower gorgeous?
Lynn O'Shaughnassy
I have a yellow form. http://www.pleurothallids.com/pleurothallis_tubata.htm
MarilyninOttawa
The yellow form much like yours Lynn, was the first one I ever
saw. I remember Cordelia identifying it for me at a show. Thank
you for showing us your example.
Susan-from-Oregon
The Stelis: THAT, I want!
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
Here is another Stelis http://www.pleurothallids.com/stelis_species_00285-00283.htm
Zeynep
Lynn, I like that one, have you been able to get it to identified,
yet?
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
Not yet. I haven't had the time to go through the Stelis Icones.
Even at that, Dr. Luer has many more new stelis to add
N_Calif_Kathy
Marilyn, all these are sooo small, how does one ever hybridize
with them? Or even self them? You must have to tear the flower
apart in order to use a 'toothpick. If even a toothpick is too
large to accomplish that feat.
MarilyninOttawa
Good question. I use a sharpened toothpick or even a needle.
Sometimes dissection is needed also. I usually examine a flower
first to get an idea of the architecture then choose an appropriate
tool.
N_Calif_Kathy
Probably using a sewing magnifier, too! I stand in awe.
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
I use a straight pin and a jewelers magnifying headband to pollinate
MarilyninOttawa
Choice of tools really depends upon the species/hybrid being
pollinated. Some Masdevallias have relatively large pollinia
and stigmas, easily seen with the naked eye. With smaller species,
and especially if the pollinia are almost white and the column
likewise, you have to use a jeweller's loupe (screws into the
eye) or head magnifier. I manage with a hand lens. It is important
that the pollination is done while the stigma is still sticky,
ie, while the flowers are still fresh.
I have had a housefly captured within a flower of Masd. peristeria.
The fly was caught between the thorax and the column. The lip
held it pressed up against the column. When I pressed down on
the lip, the fly backed out with pollinia attached to the thorax!
You should have heard him...or her! The noise is what attracted
me in the first place.
Ms.MacDuff,_Loyalton,_CA
I have a really simple, and embarassing question. When I pollinate
Masd. Do I put the new pollen in the place where I remove the
original sack?
MarilyninOttawa
The pollinia (pollen). There are two pollinia in Masdevallia.
These are located under the anther cap at the tip of the column.
Gently remove the cap. Sometimes the pollinia remain inside so
take care. I do this over a white paper. The sticky stigmatic
cavity is located just behind the anther cap on the undersurface
of the column.
N_Calif_Kathy
What does one use as a flasking medium? I figured I'd ask since
I sidetracked us into fertilization.
MarilyninOttawa
I have used various flasking media with success. I currently
use Phytomax medium with 50 ml coconut water per liter added.
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
If you are looking for a pleurothallis (a large one at that)
that is easy to grow and blooms with lots of flowers, try Pleurothallis
gelida. The photo on the bottom had 440 inflorescences with an
estimated 11,000 flowers. http://www.pleurothallids.com/pleurothallis_gelida.htm
Jade
Lynne, that is lovely and fragrant as well. A real winner. Does
it need Cool or is Intermediate ok?
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
I find that it needs a bit of a cool down in the fall to set
flowers, but it tolerates the higher temps in summer just fine.
N_Calif_Kathy
Wow, I could probably grow that one... I've been trying to grow
some scaphosepalums. Just because the flower is so 'weird'. Having
mixed luck - only because I'm not trying too hard to grow them.
(I'm growing them in Cattleya conditions)
Susan-from-Oregon
And I've got Cattleyas growing in Scaphosepalum conditions.
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
Some scaphosepalums like it cooler, but they definitely benefit
from higher humidity.
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
Another easy to grow pleurothallid genus is Restrepia. I don't
think Marilyn mentioned it. My favorite is Restrepia muscifera
as it looks like little clowns. http://www.pleurothallids.com/restrepia_muscifera.htm
MarilyninOttawa
I find on the easy list: Masd. tovarensis, Pleurothallis grobyi
(give a cool snap for flowers
in a few weeks), Restrepias (as suggested by Lynne), Masd. nidifica,
and Pleurothallis truncata.
Ms.MacDuff,_Loyalton,_CA
I have always wanted to grow a truncata(?)
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
Here is what they look like. http://www.pleurothallids.com/pleurothallis_truncata.htm
MarilyninOttawa
The challenge with pleurothallids is not so much growing them
as flowering them. Many have flowers that will wither in dry
conditions. It is always a challenge to photograph awarded certain
pleurothallids before the flowers shrivel.
The Pleurothallis truncata flowers do not last long individually
but as you see from the image kindly provided by Lynne, the flowers
and inflorescences keep coming like the battery bunny. My plant
started as a keiki and is blooming right now.
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
Here is M. tovarensis http://www.pleurothallids.com/masdevallia_tovarensis.htm
MarilyninOttawa
One aspect of orchids that intrigues me is the variation in populations.
There can be quite a wide range of growing requirements, especially
for species that are widespread in distribution. I have on warmth-tolerant
and one not so warm-tolerant masd. tovarensis. I selfed and back
crossed to see if the progeny will be more adaptable. So far,
so good. This is one showy orchid.
Ms.MacDuff,_Loyalton,_CA
I have Masd. tovarensis. I will note that the one I bought was
quite different than another one for sale, in flower size and
quality.
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
There are many times that growing conditions affect the blooms.
For example, look at this Masdevallia coccinea page. The flower
on the far right was bloomed in the summer under warmer, drier
conditions. The others bloomed in the winter. The one on the
right blooms just like the others in the winter. http://www.pleurothallids.com/masdevallia_coccinea.htm
Ms.MacDuff,_Loyalton,_CA
Marilyn, here is another silly question. I got home from work
before the chat, and just got to speed reae the pre handout.
Explain to me, what exactly defines Pleurs. Are they miniatures?
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
They are not all miniatures. The P. gelida that you saw (bottom
photo) is 2 feet across. I have some that are 2 to 3 feet tall.
Ms.MacDuff,_Loyalton,_CA
So, are they just a type like Cattleyas are a type? Can you cross
them, the different types with each other?
MarilyninOttawa
Another good question! With such a huge and diverse group, there
are bound to be some unsurmountable barriers to intergeneric
hybridization. We do, however, have examples such as Dracuvallia
(Dracula x Masdevallia) and Porrovallia (Porroglossum x Masdevallia).
I recently attempted an intersectional cross of two Pleurothallis
which was unsuccessful. You cannot really judge from just one
attempt with only one plant of each species.
N_Calif_Kathy
What induces keiki formation? High tempertures like phals?
MarilyninOttawa
Good question Kathy. First of all, not all species produce keikis
or offsets. Some, like Restrepia are very prolific producers.
Much lies in the architecture of the plant and how it has evolved.
Inflorescences are reproductive branches. The reproductive nature
can be switched off (or not switched on) and what you get a another
plantlet branch instead. In Phalaenopsis, we know that exposure
of inflorescence buds to high temperature during development
can render them capable only of producing vegetative offsets
or keikis. This may or may not be happening with Pleurothallids.
Someone needs to do the experiment!
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
Only some of the genera in pleurothallids will produce keikis.
For instance, Masdevallias will not, and it seems that any others
with leaves like Masdevallias will not. Restrepias, Zootrophions,
Pleurothallis, Lepanthes, Lepanthopsis will. The common demonator
in these last ones is they have a longer ramicaul with a leaf
at the end. The Masdevallias (and others like them) have very
short ramicauls that one does not even see as a "stem"
janetteh
Masdevallias are a mystery to me most of the time. We have a
man here who grows mostly species. I have seen some plants from
his gh that are pitiful looking. But then he brings a Masd. decumbens
to a show that has four beautiful flowers. I don't know how he
does it.
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
I have a friend of mine whose plants look like that also, but
they flower. I find that I can't stand to see dried and brown
leaves and am constantly grooming my plants to remove the ugliness.
That is the one great thing about pleurothallids is that they
multiply so fast that it doesn't take long to grow a good crop
of leaves and remove the few ugly ones.
MarilyninOttawa
For those of you envious of my winter cold, I must tell you that
it can also be too cold for may kinds of pleurothallid. Too hot
or too cold, the result is the same. Stress for the plant, loss
of foliage (the dreaded leaf drop) and possible loss of the plant.
My first Masdevallia was the Masd. nidifica which I definitely
did not want as I expected it to die. It went on to grow up to
specimen despite me.
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
M. nidifica comes in several colors http://www.pleurothallids.com/masdevallia_nidifica.htm
MarilyninOttawa
Thank you Lynne. I have the pale green form 'Bill's Gift', a
red-striped and long-tailed form and an intermediate cream and
red larger-flowered form. They do not seem to interbreed which
is interesting.
jim4eq
I like that one so much I killed two of those, LOL. One I also
love is norops
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
Here is norops http://www.pleurothallids.com/masdevallia_norops.htm
MarilyninOttawa
After visiting San Francisco a few years back, and seeing how
the Masdevallias and some other pleurothallid genera were being
grown outdoors, I decided to expose my plants to more sunlight.
All my plants move outdoors in summer (May through October).
They definitely respond positively to bright diffuse light provided
humidity is high and there is good air movement.
Ms.MacDuff,_Loyalton,_CA
This is my unprofessional advice. Grow Madevallia like houseplants.
Lots of water and keep them cool. If you are not comfortable
in the temp, neither are they. I grow mine low to the ground
in my house, near a little pond. I have a fogger on them.......
not lots of misty drops. And, they seem to do okay..... 95 percent
of them.
Zeynep
My orchids like to go outside during the spring and summer and
part of the fall months.
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
I have no shade outdoors where I live. Besides, it is too difficult
to take 3,000 plus plants outside. Hee hee
MarilyninOttawa
I use Reemay cloth over a wooden frame to provide 50-75% shade.
I likewise have a large collection but they are miniatures and
raised in trays so up the stairs I go in spring and back down
again in autumn but do the plants thrive.
Susan-from-Oregon
Masd. barleana. I can't get mine to bloom. Grows well. Looks
good, but no bloom.
MarilyninOttawa
In my experience, this is one that requires cold temperatures
to bloom well. Grows well intermediate to warm however.
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
These are cool growers. My greenhouse gets to 50 at night in
the winter. This is when they normally bloom http://www.pleurothallids.com/masdevallia_barleana.htm
Ms.MacDuff,_Loyalton,_CA
Mine is dropping to 55.
Susan-from-Oregon
There may be hope yet. I can supply cool. Thanks. I'll keep at
it. (It actually had a spike last summer, which I broke off while
watering)
Zeynep
What is your average day time high in the winter?
MarilyninOttawa
At this time of year, when it is very cold outdoors, the air
intake for the furnace supplies a cold draft across the floor
under the trays of Masdevallias in their artificially lighted
home. Night temperature reaches 14°C. I was pleased to recently
bloom Masd. harlequina. Several other species are triggered to
flower by this natural cold draft.
Another aspect that is worth considering re: floweting triggers
is day length. Some species are strong seasonal bloomers and
this seems more a response to day length (long summer days vs
short winter nights) than to temperature alone.
N_Calif_Kathy
So I take it the trick is to get these things identified, eh?
It seems like there are always 'Pleur. spp' for sale at shows.
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
I have a large library and have it indexed as to where to find
things. I have helped several people identify things from photos.
N_Calif_Kathy
As long as we covered flowering I can't recall if feeding was
in the handout. I seem to recall very weakly
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
I use the MSU RO Special "miracle" fertilizer in a
weak solution. It has done wonders for my plants and I use it
exclusively.
MarilyninOttawa
Well folks, it has been a pleasure as always to discuss matters
orchidaceous with you. Next week, I will be at the European Orchid
Conference. Perhaps I will meet some of you there. Next month,
I will be presenting on orchids whose names begin with A - Aerangis
and Aerides. See you then. Goodnight!
Lynn O'Shaughnessy
Don't forget Acostaea
MarilyninOttawa
A special thank you to you Lynn O'Shaughnessy for your supplementary
pictures and information. The Pleurothallid Alliance produces
a quarterly newsletter packed with information. Your website
is a rich source of pictures, growing requirements and related
material. Congratulations!
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